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5 Months off the Bike

February 24, 2010

THE PRECURSORS

I generally consider myself a private person.  Owing to the delicate nature of this topic, posting such personally sensitive information is very difficult for me. Speaking collectively men prefer not to discuss the details of their anatomy when it involves any kind of affliction that would portray them as anything less than manly. But given the circumstances, I feel it is my duty to expose this issue to the public, and if it saves even one person from a similar fate, it will have been well worth any embarrassments on my part.

I am not a huge fan of medicine in this country, an explanation of which is beyond the scope of this message. Suffice it to say, I believe that pharmaceutical corporations influence our countries doctors starting at education and continuing through frequent sales visits. It is this heavy influence that has transformed us into a medicated generation, where in its stead, prevention should prevail. It should come as no surprise that I only keep catastrophic insurance with a high deductible, as I do not feel the need to see a doctor unless I am in a major accident. In November of 2009 I had reconstructive surgery to fix a deviated septum, a problem I have had since getting elbowed in the nose during a high school wrestling practice. I had no choice but to take a few weeks of rest from training or any kind of exercise to recover.

Now, for the first time in a long while my family actually reached our deductible. Consequently, a few months back my wife was seeing her OBG/YN, and was told that she was at high risk if she got pregnant again because of her experience giving birth to our twin boys. Her doctor advised her that I should have a vasectomy, just in case. My wife mentioned this, and suggested that I follow her advice soon since we had met our insurance deductible and I was not able to ride anyway. I was totally opposed to the idea, and made no bones about my opposition on multiple occasions. I reluctantly spoke to the Urologist about any possible complications or side effects, and I was only told that it was a “minor procedure” and there may be some swelling, or bleeding, but nothing to worry about. I asked about time off the bike and was assured 10 days would be the maximum. I was very busy at work with a major software release, and did not have the time to research it on my own. That is where I made my first big mistake, I trusted the doctor.

THE EVENT

A perfect storm of finances, timing, misplaced trust, and personal ignorance, caused me to do something that I will forever regret. On December 4, 2009 I made the single worst decision of my life, I got a vasectomy.  I was told that the procedure itself would be fairly painless, a pin prick and some tugging. After waiting naked for 1 hour and 20 in what felt like a meat locker, the urologist made his entrance. He started with the right side, and the experience was exactly as described. He then told me that the left side would be even easier because I was already partially numb. He was dead wrong. After fumbling about a bit, he said “I am having a difficult time getting a hold of the vas”. I suddenly felt vice grips get a hold of me and refuse to loosen. The pain was so excruciating, I gasped a few times and was starting to feel light headed and I told the doctor I might throw up or pass out. He made some joke that I don’t remember, maybe he thought I was squeamish, but it was purely the pain. For the next 10 minutes I felt a little like William Wallace as my innards were being torn apart. Now I have had my share of pain, chipped rotator cuff, snapped the transverse process on 3 vertebrae, split my arm open to the bone, etc. And I would gladly experience any one of those catastrophes again before going through that surgery.

The first few days after went by as expected, and I started to feel like I was starting to recover at about day four. Then, the pain started to change and worsen.  I could not sleep as there was no position that was comfortable. I had left over pain pills from my nasal surgery, but they didn’t help all that much and I prefer not to take drugs whenever possible. If I did finally dose off, I would soon be woken up from shooting nerve pain that emanated from my testicles ending all the way up to my hips and back.

THE TIMELINE

2 Weeks – At this point I was starting to seriously worry, so I went back to see the urologist. The doctor was busy, I guess, because I was only seen by the physician’s assistant. I am not that familiar with recent changes in our medical system, but I logically figured any post operative complications would at least be addressed by the doctor that performed the surgery. It all seemed very cold and dispassionate to me, even a little weird being inspected by a man that was not an actual doctor.  But at that point, I would have allowed George Michael to handle my genitals if I thought he could provide some answers. Of course he only found some inflammation on the left side (I can’t imagine why), and told me that I was just a slow healer.

3 Weeks – No change in my condition. Constant pain, no cycling, no sex, no playing with the kids, it was the worst Christmas ever.  I walked out to the living room like a cowboy on thin ice, and eased myself onto the couch. I pretended to smile and be happy for the family, but quickly retired to the bedroom, where I spent the better part of the day stuffing ice into my jock with the facial expressions of a junkie shooting up.

4 Weeks – I would still wake up every morning feeling like I had had the surgery the day before. I called the doctor (got the PA again), and he reassured me that I had just gone through a “Major Surgery” and was just a slow healer. Whatever happened to “Minor Procedure?” He then suggested some kind of nerve related drug treatment. I quickly looked up side effects, and declined. In addition to the myriad of side effects many of these drugs cause, most only serve to cover up symptoms or mask pain. I prefer to know how (or if) I am improving.

5 Weeks – Still no change, and the psychological effects were starting to get to me. I started to feel that there was a good chance I would never want to have sex again, never be able to ride my bike again, in addition to being severely limited in activities I could do with the kids. I would go to sleep every night around 7pm anxious to wake up feeling better, but it would never happen. Each morning I woke up to the same pain level, and could see no change in site. Paraphrased from Dr. Anthony Ellis: While the condition often referred to as “Post Vasectomy Pain Syndrome (PVPS)” effects only 6% to 30% (depending on the study and pain level), the sufferer is destroyed in a unique way. Few understand, since most who have had a vasectomy recover in a few days, without any ill effects, or at least any ill effects that they can readily attribute to the operation. For the victim it feels like you traded the greatest things in life for chronic pain in the most delicate of locations. And since it involves your genitals, you also lose the ability to receive support from others as you battle the problem as no one wants to hear about your testes. There appears to be a lack of acceptance of the diagnosis amongst Urology practitioners and medicine in general. After reading multiple support groups and forums, it seems that most of the men with PVPS have seen four or five doctors prior to getting pointed toward available treatments. Some are offered mutilating procedures (epididymectomy or removal of a testicle) without being offered the known evidence based treatments for PVPS (vasectomy reversal or microsurgical neurolysis).

In addition to my personal life, the effects were really starting to wedge themselves into the lives of my family. My darling wife has been absolutely tormented by the entire situation. Knowing full well that I had the surgery at her request, feelings of guilt in addition to having to pick up the slack at home has been difficult for her to say the least. I am very involved with my kids, making breakfast, taking them on activities, etc. My children are smart and very cognizant of the uneasy atmosphere that is permeating our home. Continually fielding questions like “Why can’t daddy wrestle with us anymore”, “Why doesn’t daddy make breakfast for us anymore”, “Why can’t daddy take us sledding”, “Why does daddy go to bed after dinner”, or “why is mom crying all the time?” has been difficult on us both.  At this point I started to feign happiness to the boys, and pretend to be comfortable regardless of my pain levels.

6 Weeks – I started to feel like things were getting better, but this only lasted a couple of days. I was sitting at my desk in my big comfy chair working through what I thought was a comfortable pain level of 3, when out of the blue the pain spiked up to a nine and stayed there. It was so bad my hands were shaking and I couldn’t even work at my computer. It was a Friday near the end of the day, so I called the Urologist’s office, gave a brief timeline of my pain and indicated that my current pain level was unbearable.  I needed to see the doctor right away. Now I am not one for pity, but I thought I would at least get the standard “that sounds terrible” or “I am so sorry what can we do”, at the very least a concerned voice. Much to the contrary, the nurse was a total robot, and sounded almost as if she had heard this a million times and was trained to somehow not acknowledge it. She dryly indicated that the doctor was busy, but that they could fit me in on Tuesday afternoon.  I asked what I was supposed to do for four days, and in the same apathetic voice, was told to take Tylenol. I was so dumfounded at the whole experience, all I could mutter through a timid and tearful voice was “OK”. After lying in bed all weekend, the pain finally subsided back to the standard 5 or 6 that I felt all the time. Tuesday morning I called and cancelled the appointment. And while I believe the doctor never set out to do anything malicious, I did not feel comfortable seeking help from the person that caused the damage to begin with. Not to mention I was scared to death to return to that office. Eventually he called me to find out why I cancelled my appointment, and I related my status. He was apologetic, and tried to remedy the situation by offering some exploratory surgery to remove parts of my male anatomy.  Knowing full well that this would only lessen or even eliminate my chances to ever truly heal, I politely declined.

7 Weeks – I thought I might be starting to feel a bit better. The constant dull ache had pretty much disappeared, and I only experienced pain during activity. In other words, I thought I could at least start a long, dull, and uninteresting life of sedentary obesity. I was wrong. More level 9 pain spikes throughout the week. Since I could do little more than sit at my desk and work, I spent more time reading medical journals, researching the procedure, side effects, and experiences of other men. A plethora of horror stories abound on the internet, and I probably would not have put much stock in any of them, except I myself was living the same unimaginable nightmare.  The first thing I discovered was that PVPS is much more common than any Urologist will ever admit. Most never even present it as a possibility to their prospective patients and many even deny its existence.  If you are a sufferer, expect to be swept under the rug by medical practitioners as they are mostly clueless about it. Vasectomy is big business, and for most urologists, it is their bread and butter. It only makes sense that they would not bring it up or put it on any consent forms, it might scare away customers, and that is bad for business.

Most PVPS victims don’t have symptoms for years after the surgery. Depending on how well your body “adapts” to the change (I refuse to use the word heal, nobody heals from vasectomy), you may experience an immediate autoimmune response from the blood sperm barrier being broken, or suffer from congestive problems years down the road. If you are lucky enough to not sustain any nerve damage, tissue damage, or any of the other afore mentioned complications during the surgery itself, you may eventually suffer from either a testosterone deficiency,  erectile dysfunction, or a multitude of smaller risk factors. Although you probably won’t make the link, vasectomy is a large unknown variable in the equation that equals your health and fitness into old age. Future problems like decreased athletic performance or prostate cancer will probably be attributed simply to old age, since the rate of degeneration is an unknown.  There are medical studies in addition to first hand experiences that have shown there to be a concrete link between such problems and male sterilization.

8 Weeks – Only after thorough research, accompanied by strong fears of future complication, I decided to see a vasectomy reversal specialist. I felt a strong need to do all that I could to have things put back the way they were. And since each day felt no better than the last, I really did not feel like I was ever going to get better, and I did not want to suffer any longer. Insurance will not pay for reversal because it is usually deemed a matter of fertility, so I knew after paying for plane flights, rental car and surgery; I would have to come up with around $10,000 all out of my own pocket. I was reluctant to spend the money, since reversal surgery itself caries no guarantee of pain alleviation, but my wife reassured me: “If you are suicidal, you might as well try reversal”. Hard to argue with, but still, I couldn’t help but think of all the bike gear I could have purchased with the money. I would have much rather have bought a brand new Cannondale Carbon Scalpel Mountain Bike, but who would ride it?

THE NEXT STEP

So I packed my bags (actually my wife packed for me), and exactly two months after the initial procedure, we flew down to Tucson while my mother-in-law watched the kids. There I met with a world renowned vasectomy reversal expert. He indicated to me that most of his patients are there for fertility reasons but that he does receive a few “pain” patients each month. The staff was so incredibly kind and professional; it made the office back in Utah look totally Mickey Mouse. I woke up in the post-op room with an immediate feeling of relief. For the first time in weeks, it didn’t feel like a woman wearing high heels was standing on my lower abdomen. And though I must attribute much of my initial comfort to the anesthetic, there was a definite feeling of pressure relief. As part of the surgery, the doctor must cut the cauterized ends of the vas deferens and take a sperm sample. After the surgery the doctor indicated to me that the left side had an amazing amount of scar tissue for only 2 months, and when he clipped the end off, fluid gushed for a long time as if under great pressure. He told me that he only ever sees this with his pain patients.

It has now been 6 weeks since I left Tucson, and I am getting better each day. The recovery has not been linear, and has provided its own share of painful days. I write this now, because I feel better today than at any other day since my vasectomy. What took 15 minutes to destroy, took a skilled surgeon 3 hours to put back together. And while reversal is considered a much more invasive surgery with a longer recovery, I feel much better now after 6 weeks then I felt even 8 weeks after a vasectomy. So does that still mean I am a slow healer? I for one feel that it only proves there was a definitive physiological problem caused by vasectomy itself. For me, I believe that reversal was the right decision, and put my body back into a state where it has the ability to truly heal, yet there is still a lot of healing to do.

THE RECOVERY?

It is my belief that the single biggest reason few ever hear about this problem is that most men suffer in silence, being abashed or perhaps not wanting to be labeled; even informing the doctor of the situation is not common (which also leads urologists to believe that their procedure is safe and effective). I believe that advances in information proliferation through the internet, is the primary reason the issue has found any light at all in recent years. Studies have been documented in medical journals for over 40 years, but until recently have not been so readily available. In a study done way back in 1970 a large group of vasectomized men were asked if they were satisfied with the operation. The result was 92%. Oddly, when the same group was asked if they suffered a decrease in sexual desire 53% responded yes. The researcher commented: “The need to convince ourselves is served by convincing others”.

On December 4, 2009 I walked into that doctor’s office in the best shape of my life with a 10+ on the “Quality of Life” scale, and have been living a 2 since. Being able to ride a bike again is still not a guarantee, and if the doctor had given any warning at all that such an outcome was even a remote possibility, I would not have gone through with it. Long term (possibly lifelong) chronic pain was not in the informed consent, and any Urologist that is not upfront about it is acting unethically and is more interested in making money then actually helping patients. In the end I have to blame myself for not doing the research first and for not seeing vasectomy for what it is: The totally illogical assumption that clamping off a pipe and not shutting off the pump, will indefinitely have no ill effects.

So have I sufficiently embarrassed myself yet, or do I need to post a photo of me only wearing the extra supportive bikini briefs I have had to fashion for the past 3 months?

36 Comments leave one →
  1. February 25, 2010 7:33 pm

    Wow. Just wow. Thanks for making this public and helping this potential vasectomy patient decide against the procedure as a “treatment” option.

    Here’s to a speedy and full recovery.

  2. Jay Griffin permalink
    February 26, 2010 10:08 pm

    Thanks for sharing this experience. It certainly convinces me that I will never have a vasectomy. I hope your recovery is quick and even better than you hope for. Here’s to seeing you soon out riding on the trails and roads.

  3. March 2, 2010 4:54 pm

    I don’t even know what to say. Amazing. Heal quickly.

  4. March 2, 2010 6:41 pm

    Good Luck man,
    I’m bookmarking this for my wife.

  5. March 3, 2010 3:21 pm

    Thanks everyone. Yes, tell me how this has changed your decision or the decision of a friend. That is music to my ears!

  6. March 4, 2010 9:59 pm

    Jeez. That is one horrific experience. I can’t even begin to imagine how difficult life was for you in that timescale. But I can applaud you for bringing it to the forefront of our minds.

    The chronic pain factor is never brought up in the informed consent for any surgery and I, like you, have had chronic pain since a surgery I had in 2005. But nothing would compare to chronic genital pain. As a woman I most definitely can’t imagine what that was like for you.

    I hope your pain levels drop real soon. Stay strong. Try to keep positive. And thank you again for breaking your silence on such a delicate subject.

  7. March 6, 2010 6:24 pm

    You have been unfortunate in choice of Doctors, but i guess there are very few of them who really consider their patient’s wellbeing when it comes to warning of the offputting possibility of continous and unremitting pain.
    1998 i had a procedure which improved the “Sperm count” and this was on “private insurance” so little pain there but my Doctor warned of a posssibility of pain/discomfort which did not arise. Overnight stay in a nice comfortable room, weekend at home and back to work without further delay. Pity was the OP. proved unnecessary as the Lady still was unable to provide even though she also had surgical procedures.

    Wish you a full recovery and maybe this blog item can start a “Help Group” where people can be better advised of the possibilities that could occur but can’t see the Medical Profession allowing this to happen

  8. March 7, 2010 4:20 pm

    that is an amazing journey. i have not seen that type of scenario in 24 years of doing them. it may have been some have gone elsewhere without my knowledge. i am glad the vv worked for you. if you don’t mind sharing… what is your post surgical sperm count i.e. did it work on that level? on your note on my blog.. i agree 1000%, you need a doctor you can trust and if you don’t move on. there are good ones out there. jm

  9. March 7, 2010 5:24 pm

    Haven’t done the lab work yet, that will start this week. As you can imagine, I don’t care too much about the sperm count, only that it continues to rise, otherwise continued inflammation may be causing obstructions. My primary reason for not trusting my urologist is not because I think he did a bad job (aside from being very rough). He had been recommended by another doctor and had plenty of years under his belt (no pun intended). What turned me off was that he did not provide any kind of warning that these complications were even a possibility, and then basically did not know how to treat it. I think the problem is vasectomy itself, and for whatever reason, some physiologies do not take kindly to the sperm anti-bodies, do not heal quickly (down there), develop scar tissue more easily than others, and or something else I can’t think of. I was really sitting on the fence, looking for any excuse to get back to my training and skip the entire procedure, but wasn’t even given the vaguest warning. It is for that reason, I didn’t even bother speaking to my urologist, and instead flying 800 miles to find the best at any cost.

  10. runwolf permalink
    March 9, 2010 6:43 pm

    Seems to me you need to speak to the other evil in our society, besides the doctor. You need to speak to the lawyer. At the very least, the procedure was done badly, and follow up care was below standard. I’ve never heard of a doctor tell a patient in pain that the correct method of treatment was wait for days to be seen.

    I had no where near that pain after a procedure and was told to put the phone down and go to the ER. Which may have saved my life. I’m appalled at the lack of care shown here.

    • March 9, 2010 10:24 pm

      Don’t think it hasn’t crossed my mind. This may sound strange, especially in this economy, but money is the least of my worries right now and feel I have more to lose than to gain by going down that road. I know some others in a similar situation feel the need to go after the urologists because they cannot work, or perhaps feel that the doctor needs to pay. I myself work from home at the computer, and while even that has been difficult at times, it has not stopped me from working. If anything, not being able to ride my bike has caused me to work more than usual.

      But you are correct, the doctor and his office should probably at the very least know what they have put me through. As it stands, I am sure the vasectomy factory I was rejected from is running full steam, and everything is business as usual.

  11. March 10, 2010 9:16 pm

    Thanks for sharing your story. I’m sure it will help some people.

    Despite my own copious medical blogging, I had no idea there could be complications of that nature with that procedure. This will take some of the pressure off Himself 😉

    I hope you continue to heal and can get back to a normal life.

    OSM

  12. March 21, 2010 11:30 pm

    My goodness – thanks for sharing this. I had no idea this was a risk with vasectomy. I guess liek unsuccessful IVF and other things below the belt, most people don’t talk about it so others just don’t hear. I really hope you continue to improve and get back in that saddle!

  13. March 22, 2010 8:10 pm

    Exactly. A big problem with these procedures is that men will tell other men that everything went great, regardless of what happened. And while most times men recover OK, sometimes they are just trying to convince themselves, and in a few cases they out right lie to cover their own embarrassment. Most often, men with PVPS, will just “suffer in silence”. I ran into a friend last week who had a easy recovery from Vasectomy and was symptom free for 3 years. Then, all of the sudden, the congestion set in, and he has been bed ridden for the past 3 weeks, after having something removed (he didn’t specify what). He works in the medical field, and won’t dare tell a sole.

  14. April 12, 2010 10:58 pm

    I thin it’s important to remember that there are risks with any procedure. It’s important to do your research when considering undergoing any kind of optional surgery.

    • April 13, 2010 1:49 pm

      I agree with that now more than ever. I kind of thought little could go wrong. You know, the organ is already on the outside, so no cutting into me and accidentally slicing something else etc. With so many urologists behind the procedure, I assumed without any major slip of the scalpel that the procedure itself was safe. That is where I was mistaken.

  15. April 13, 2010 9:05 pm

    Great post, horrible story. It’s amazing that so few men are told about the frequency of PVPS.

  16. richardsblah permalink
    April 25, 2010 3:25 pm

    Thanks for the comment. You have clearly had a dreadful time with your procedure and I truly feel for you. I’m now five days on from mine, and while there is still discomfort and slight pain if I sit or move badly, I am certainly aware of some improvement. Time, of course, will tell. Nothing to be done now but wait and see.

    I’m asking myself if I would have gone ahead with the procedure, had I read your blog beforehand, and I’m not sure. You have to assume a level of risk with any procedure you enter into, and I have a feeling I would have absorbed the risks and gone ahead anyway. I don’t know. 10 years ago, I had spinal surgery which could have left me in a wheelchair had it been fucked up, so perhaps I’m used to playing the odds.

    I sincerely wish you a full and speedy recovery, my friend. Thank you for bringing your story to our attention, despite the discomfort. Keep us posted.

  17. May 20, 2010 2:26 pm

    Thank you for sharing your story! It’s definitely opened my eyes to what my husband is going through. While he isn’t experiencing the pain levels you suffered, I am more sympathetic to what he endured. I will suck up more days/weeks if need be of doing extra chores! — hope you are back in action soon! Sounds like an awful ordeal you went through.

    • May 20, 2010 2:31 pm

      Thanks for the comment and concern. It’s not over yet. I am doing much better, and riding my bike, but even now after 6 months it is not pain free. I still wonder if it ever will be.

  18. June 17, 2010 9:37 pm

    What a horrible nightmare. I am so sorry. Thank you for posting this – I am heading towards ending my fertility (I’m female), and although it’s crossed my mind to ask my fiance if he wouldn’t agree to get snipped instead, he’s never offered it as an option on his own. After reading this, I know I’ll never bring it to him.

    • June 18, 2010 3:33 am

      Thanks for your comments and concern. I am about 80% now, and hope to be 100% by the end of the summer.

  19. reluctantmom permalink
    June 24, 2010 9:43 pm

    That is quite a horrific experience, really enjoyed the way you wrote it – clearly I will not need a vasectomy, but it made good reading for a discussion with my partner, thank you.

  20. June 25, 2010 5:43 am

    Holy crap!! Damn… Seriously, thanks for telling your story. And yes, the picture is definitely needed. 🙂

    I know all about nerve damage pain – dropped on my head and jammed my neck, kinking to vertebrae out of alignment. It has left me spending up to 9 mos out of the year in bed.

    I do wish you luck for your recovery and that you are back of on the bike asap.

    • June 27, 2010 10:47 pm

      Thank you. It would have been better to get a photo of me before the surgery and all the bed rest. Of course I didn’t own any supportive underwear then, and was less inclined to expose myself. But I would have looked better!

  21. black permalink
    April 21, 2011 3:28 pm

    How are you now?

    Can you share the name of the physician in Tucson?

    • April 21, 2011 4:41 pm

      Dr. Sheldon Marks, with ICVR.

      After about 14 months, I kind of plateaued. It has now been about 1.5 years and I would say I am 95% and holding. I still occasionally get strange pains, but they are few and far between. For the most part I can do all the things I used to. Honestly I don’t every see myself getting to 100%, but I can live with it med free.

      • black permalink
        April 29, 2011 8:14 pm

        Thanks. I’ve had hit and miss pain on one side since the big V about four years ago. I think I’ll be looking into a reversal after my wife hits menopause.

        Glad to hear you’re doing better. What a nightmare.

        Hang in there!

  22. Greg M permalink
    September 13, 2013 5:16 pm

    Todd – did you ever hit 100%? I’m in the same boat and headed to ICVR myself and hoping for similar results to yours.

    • September 13, 2013 5:23 pm

      No, not really. Just hit a plateau. Not pain all the time, but it comes and goes depending on activity/diet, or if I sit for long periods of time. But I have learned to kind of ignore it, and don’t limit my activities in any way, or allow it to.

  23. Greg M permalink
    September 13, 2013 8:53 pm

    That’s a great mental attitude, and thanks for telling your story – only wish I’d seen it sooner.

  24. Ben permalink
    April 24, 2015 5:44 am

    I am glad that there are some people who can tell the truth about vasectomy and share their experience. Besides described problems men are loosing their sensation after vasectomy sometime by 75% and don’t have an urge to have sex at all. Thank you!

  25. Kenny Angel permalink
    October 7, 2016 4:26 am

    Thank you. It seems everyone I talk to thinks I should get this procedure done. My wife almost died giving birth to our second little girl. Now her doctor has convinced her that this procedure is safe and will have no lasting side effects, but I either her stories like yours or women telling me how much of an egotistical coward I am for not wanting this to happen to me. Even if this were not a problem, is it so wrong for a man to be emotionally connection with his genitalia? My father had a vasectomy and has never been the same,he is the reason I have researched this so much.but it seems the more questions and concerns I have, the more people question my sanity. I have a lovely beautiful wife whom I would do anything for, but I can’t do this. Thank you for sharing your story. I’m sorry this happen to you but I’m glad to hear from someone on this topic that isn’t laughing at me. Why is getting my genitals mutilated so funny to everyone?

    • October 7, 2016 4:45 am

      I will never understand why people think it is such a minor thing, funny even. Maybe if you respond back by spelling out what will happen and be totally serious. “so you want another man to grab my balls and slice open my scrotum…on purpose? And if afterwards sex isn’t that great for me, you’re…ok with that too?”

      • Greg M permalink
        October 7, 2016 8:35 pm

        I’ll add my own $.02 (perhaps more like a quarter) to Todd’s comments. Just try to imagine a life with daily, unrelenting, chronic pain. If you don’t have it you really can’t, and if you suffer from severe chronic pain it is difficult to imagine a life and time where you were pain-free. Mine has been a surreal journey. After severe pain following a vasectomy in 2012 I’ve had a reversal (w/ Dr Marks as well, an amazing and caring physician), nerve blocks, spermatic cord denervations, all to no avail thus far. My journey continues today, every day is a small battle. The innervation of this core area of the body is so rich and complex that if something goes wrong it can impact all aspects of life: sitting, walking, lifting, riding bikes, sneezing, etc. The chances of negative outcomes may be very small (the latest AUA numbers put it at 1-2%, I’m guessing severe cases necessitating surgery like Todd and I have done are rarer still), but if it happens to you at the more severe end of the spectrum it will smash your quality of life and your family will suffer with you.

        Every man contemplating this procedure simply has to decide if the risks are worth it. But informed consent means understanding that post-vasectomy pain is real, it is unpredictable, it is very poorly understood and its etiology unknown, and there is no established treatment protocol for it. These are facts recognized by the field of urology, but seemingly not always by front-line urologists. Sometimes time and/ or surgeries are successful at mitigating pain, sometimes they partially work and sometimes they are completely ineffective and daily pain becomes the new “normal.” My urologist performing the vas was very dismissive when I asked about complications and potential long-term pain. I went with his professional experience and opinion and was skeptical of a few guys’ stories on the web about struggles with long-term pain outcomes. Typically risk-averse and cautious, this was my mistake, and one for which I continue to pay a staggering price as I continue on a journey to somehow, by some means return to the way I was pre-vasectomy and enjoy a pain-free life again. My biggest regret was not researching urological medical papers on Medline/PubMed, Elsevier etc. but honestly I was not aware of these resources at the time. If you look, the research is there and the story of devastating complications can be gleaned.

        If someone had told me my own story before the vas, I would never have believed it. I know others who have had a vasectomy done and had no issues, an outcome with which they are thrilled. This is not a certainty, but as they say few things in life are certain. I think it’s awesome Todd posted his story and that a reversal worked to rid him of pain. His is an awful story with a happy ending. However, it should be recognized that a corrective surgery or series of surgeries does not offer a guaranteed resolution to those in this predicament. Some stories do not have happy endings. I say this not to wholesale discourage anyone from this elective sterilization procedure that has worked well for so many, but simply to help anyone reading this be more fully informed like I wish I had been. As I stated, the medical literature detailing this condition is out there if you look for it. Drs Lawrence Levine and Edmund Sabanegh have both published recent, comprehensive papers which detail incidence, speculative cause(s) of PVPS and current treatment protocols.

        I wish everyone the best of health. With regards to weighing the risks of having a vasectomy performed, you have been warned.

  26. Kenny Angel permalink
    October 8, 2016 1:50 am

    Thanks guys, I guess my biggest concern is that my wife will resent me somehow if I choose to stay intact. I also have a very real fear of her no longer being attracted to me after I do this, ( I hear that’s a very real outcome)! I think for me no means, fuck no. Thank you all again so much and I really wish you the best. I hope you and all men recover from this barbaric mutilation passed as a medical benefit.

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